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#: 19752 S13/GEOS Connection I
25-Jun-89 14:59:57
Sb: #GEOS 128 2.0
Fm: Jerry Corcoran 76077,500
To: [F] Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032 (X)
I just bought the GEOS 128 2.0 and in reading the instructions got confused
about the loading of "old" GEOS programs. If I answer "no", that I have no old
ones, does that mean I won't be able to use any that I buy in the future? As
far as I can tell, once you answer "no" it is irreversible.
Thank you for any help.
Jerry
#: 19754 S13/GEOS Connection I
25-Jun-89 16:01:20
Sb: #19752-#GEOS 128 2.0
Fm: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032
To: Jerry Corcoran 76077,500 (X)
Jerry,
Here's how it works:
When you install GEOS, one of the things that happens is your GEOS system
gets "stamped" with a serial number. When you install add-on packages from
BSW, like geoPublish, for example, they also get stamped with that serial
number, and will not work on a GEOS system with any other serial number.
If you answer "no", then GEOS goes ahead and creates a new random serial
number.
If you answer "yes", then the install will request that you place an old
product master disk (not a boot disk) in the drive, from which it will read
your existing serial number, and use that for your new system, instead of
creating a new one. Since your new system would then have the same serial
number as your old, all your existing packages would still work.
If you are upgrading from a previous GEOS, and have BSW add-on packages,
then answer "yes". If this is your first GEOS, or if you never bought any of
the add-ons, then answer "no".
The change is, indeed, permanent. Since so many people are confused enough
to get it wrong, BSW will replace the disks for a small fee if you get it
wrong. I think they're charging $5, but I'm not positive about that.
Hope this helps <ed>
#: 19790 S13/GEOS Connection I
28-Jun-89 19:20:00
Sb: #19754-#GEOS 128 2.0
Fm: Jerry Corcoran 76077,500
To: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032 (X)
Ed:
Thanks a lot. You've explained a whole lot more than the instruction
book. I don't see why they can't explain that to people who have never used
GEOS before. I'll go ahead and answer no and let the system work itself out.
Thanks again.
Jerry
#: 19793 S13/GEOS Connection I
28-Jun-89 20:01:20
Sb: #19790-GEOS 128 2.0
Fm: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032
To: Jerry Corcoran 76077,500
Jerry,
I don't know why they can't do something about those instructions, either.
The exact same thing happened when they released the original GEOS 128, with
many people making mistakes and requiring replacement boot disks. There's no
shame in getting something wrong the first time, but for them to have allowed
the situation to continue is very upsetting.
#: 19811 S13/GEOS Connection I
29-Jun-89 21:19:05
Sb: #19754-#GEOS 128 2.0
Fm: Anthony Marsh 72127,2301
To: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032
But what do you do when your 64 serial number is different from your 128 serial
number? When I installed the 128, I didn't have any keyed programs, so I let it
create its own serial number. Now I have have the latest GEODEX from the
2-for-1 deal and want to try it with the 128, but it is a keyed program and I'm
afraid I'll have problems. So either I'll have to break the key protection of
cough up $5 to get some more original disks. BTW, Joe is working on a patch
program that will automatically change GEODEX into my CD CATALOG, which I have
been doing manually. When we get it done, I plan to upload it here. But there
could be a slight problem if we take seriously BSW's warning not to alter or
modify any of its programs. You know what we went through with Coleman's
CONVERT and I wouldn't want to start another round. From my viewpoint, the
modified program is never intended to be distributed to anyone else and doesn't
defeat any existing protection code. What do you think? Tony
#: 19814 S13/GEOS Connection I
29-Jun-89 23:30:21
Sb: #19811-GEOS 128 2.0
Fm: Marte Brengle 76703,4242
To: Anthony Marsh 72127,2301
If you only have the GEOS 128 boot disk, you can key all your applications to
it and not have to worry about problems. And there are a lot of copy programs
(Maverick is one) that have "GEOS toolboxes" included that can remove the copy
protection, so that you can simply make a backup of your original disk and key
THAT to your boot disk.
There are also programs available that will let you edit serial numbers so that
all your disks are keyed alike. I used that to key my GEOS 64 applications to
my GEOS 128 boot disk, since I misunderstood the instructions when I got GEOS
128 and answered "no" to the installation question.
While I can see BSW's concern over piracy, it seems to me that their protection
schemes are doing far more harm to honest, legitimate users than they ever do
to pirates.
--M--